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gypsy frocks

Yeah, one of the favorite slurs of the war hawks is to say that liberals see terrorism as a "law enforcement problem" rather than as a Clash of Civilizations requiring a never-ending War on Terror. They also spent a while sneering at people who wanted to talk about "root causes" of Islamic fundamentalism -- until they themselves started eventually talking about root causes and the need for democracy, personal freedoms, economic opportunity, religious tolerance, etc. etc.

What's funny is that they're pro-law enforcement in any context except this one. And all I know is that if some suicide bomber blows himself up in Times Square or the Mall of America or whatever, it's going to be because of a failure of law enforcement, not a failure to recognize a Clash of Civilizations.

hellbent

Oh crap. I forgot to throw in a http://www.heritage.org/Research/AsiaandthePacific/BG1720.cfm>link to a report pointing out how much more effective the law enforcement response to terrorism has been than the military response, both in terms of absolute number of terrorists stopped and in terms of dollars spent. The report is from the leftist panty-wastes at the Heritage Foundation.

It's not really fair to judge every dollar spent in Iraq on the basis of fighting terrorism, of course. There are so many other purposes served by those expenditures -- enriching the Carlyle Group, paying back campaign donors, pumping up Halliburton stock. It's not just about terrorism, though it does seem to be all about piracy.

SayUncle

Interesting take regarding the pirates. It seems that international law provides is leeway and, hence, not guidance. IIRC, international law dictates that non-uniformed combatants can be executed on the spot. I'm not proposing that but noting that there's a lot of wiggle-room in international law that can lead to bad ju-ju.

hellbent

Piracy law allows pirates to be captured anywhere by anyone. I doubt seriously that it condones execution without trial, but leeway is exactly the point. We didn't need to do anything reckless like declaring the Geneva Conventions "quaint". We didn't need to debase our system of justice by inventing a new extralegal system of detention and interrogation for "enemy combatants". We didn't need to debase ourselves as citizens by giving the executive branch carte blanche to do as it pleased.

We already had the leeway. Perhaps most critically, we did not need to link terrorists to states so as to excuse warfare tactics like invasion. We could have simply declared jurisdiction over al Qaeda members wherever they might be, sending special forces soldiers across national boundaries under the rubric of piracy law.

We should have figured this out under Clinton. Clinton deferred opportunities to capture bin Laden because he felt he had no legal structure to operate in. He had piracy law. This article is essentially a rational, literate take on the old "Clinton let bin Laden go" line.

Of course, at the time, legal minds were preoccupied with impeachment law instead of struggling with ways to fight terrorism, which gets back to my point. We allow our elected leaders to co-opt our democracy to stage partisan squabbles and power plays instead of insisting on leaders who can harness the power of democracy to make our nation stronger, more just, and more free.

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